My personal experience of living independently in housing. Some of this is on the Hurtful Experiences blog but I've expanded it to include, for example, my student experiences. This does not reflect the experience of the Aspie community as a whole, but does show what it CAN be like.
I have lived independently since the time I first left home in order to attend university at Edinburgh. However, independent living in different types of housing has been a challenge as a person with Asperger's.
At university I first stayed in Halls of Residence. From a housing point of view this was very good as an introduction to independent living. It was a good transition because not all aspects of independent living had to be dealt with all at once, for example meals were served at the refectory instead of having to be made by the student at this point. Halls of Residence did however mean close interaction with dozens of other students and having to try to fit in, which I found very difficult especially coming fresh into a student populace with people from many different backgrounds.
Halls of Residence tend to be an option for only the first year, with students normally getting together to share flats in subsequent years. But I did find the social environment at university overwhelming, with it being very difficult to fit in and make friends at university. Therefore I certainly did not know anyone well enough to share a flat with them. For the start of my second year I found myself moving into a flat where there was a vacancy to make up four flatmates, flatmates whom I did not know, indeed this was the way of things until I left university. In this new flat the other flatmates did not take to me very well, so much so that I was forced out of the flat after just one semester.
Having to share with previously unknown students did greatly increase my risk of personality clashes. For the remainder of my second year I moved into a house where there were eight students, each with their own room, which gave me a little more space to myself. Again, though, I did not fit in well with the other students and it went as far as bullying, even physical bullying at times.
My third and fourth year were spent in the same flat where although I managed to experience no serious problems with the other students, neither did I fit in well and it seemed I was tolerated as long as I kept myself to myself.
Following my graduation as a student and having independence with a career, my housing experience would become an even greater challenge in coping with the housing I've lived in and the neighbours there, because of repeatedly ending up beside antisocial neighbours. All too often indeed, they have been the sort of neighbours who get evicted or are in danger of it.
Things went well enough at the first address I lived when first working in a career. It was a bedsit, yet that was a step up in size from the sort of living space I had as a student! I really appreciated my independence there and quite enjoyed life living there. I was however looking to buy my own flat.
In the flat where I first lived as an owner occupier I settled in very well for a while and enjoyed myself. It was a studio flat, which was what I was able to afford then, but it was within a nice quiet cul-de-sac. I found however that although I wasn't sharing flats with people, sharing a stairwell with neighbours would still be very socially difficult. I had a next door neighbour who it was apparent didn't like me very much. For some reason he was always saying I was standing outside the Playhouse early in the mornings, when I was never near there in the mornings. He must have thought I was hiding something, and so I was a liar. (Given the location perhaps there was a suspicion - and intolerance - of homosexuality?)
Then one night I went to the pub across the road and said next door neighbour was there. He assumed a threatening manner of approach towards me, starting to manhandle me, causing me to fear assault, and accusing me of everything under the sun. Including a paedophile - which is what sticks out in my mind. Everyone else in the pub could see he was being out of order and was trying to stop him. But I was so traumatised I put my flat up for sale, and bought another one to move to.
At this new address, a tiny one-bedroomed flat on the high street in Dalkeith, there was only one other flat in the stair. But I'd walked straight into a situation where they were extremely noisy neighbours, with them and their friends loitering in the stair using drugs almost every day. This and other destructive behaviour went on until they were evicted. After that I lived in a period of peace, something unusual for me. But I found another major difficulty in housing, namely that getting agreement for communal repairs was difficult, never mind getting contractors to fix a job properly. This sort of thing requires social and negotiation skills which proved too intricate for me to manage. The roof of the flat had leaks in several places, something I tried for three years to get fixed. In this time there were four repairs carried out yet none of them worked properly. This situation caused me plenty of anxiety. I eventually moved on because I was trying to trade up the property ladder.
House prices at this time were rising at such a fast rate that once my flat was sold, I couldn't manage the jump up the ladder and had to rent for a while. The flat, although in an ex-council suburb, was in a good location for me. Again, extremely noisy neighbours above, groups of youths often loitering outside, my windows regularly being panned with stones. Again I was living in very little peace. That family was then evicted but replacement neighbours were not much better.
I eventually got back on the property ladder as an owner occupier, but what a mistake. The flat was on an ex-council estate, and it was what I was able to afford at a time prices were still going up and up. It was by far the most traumatic living experience I have had. Again, a neighbouring flat was home to a very antisocial family, and youths loitered beside my flat (residents of neighbouring flat plus friends) almost every night, often drinking/smoking/drug using, usually committing horrendous disturbances. Vandalism on many occasions, even urinating in stair. I have had people waiting outside the flat with a baseball bat. I lived life in a complete, debilitating fear. I suffered severe mental health problems due to living there, especially as the situation never improved in over 3 years.
On top of that family, another one lived next door to me briefly, and this led to one of two severely distressing recent incidents. At 3am one morning a gang came to the door of their flat to repeatedly knock on their door, and this escalated to disturbance over about an hour and an eventual stabbing incident right outside my flat. It appears the family left the flat straight after that. Only a month after this there was a wild party which led to an evening of disturbance and rioting in the stairwell all evening and overnight, where there was some destruction including windows being smashed, which caused further trauma.
This is how difficult it can be for an Aspie living independently, if left to find housing like most people would do. Indeed I bought some of these flats in the first place due to intense pressure from parents and/or church members for home ownership, despite my better judgment and freedom of choice (the above experiences do speak of how limited my options have been). It was up to me to stand up to such pressure and use my own judgment. Yet people have known my level of anxiety or what it would be under pressure in order to use scare tactics, making the persuasion outweigh my ability to resist, therefore I ended up in situations of distress when I did live in the flats.
Although I attempted to sell my last flat, this was unsuccessful. The fact I even attempted, by which time the property market had crashed, speaks of how distressed I was. After continued incidents, I have now rented the flat out because I just wasn't coping, while doing what I think works best for me as a living situation which is to privately rent. This gives me more choice than mainly the ex-council flats I could afford to buy and also makes me more flexible for moving if I was uncomfortable. I have been in the new rented flat for six weeks and though I did have an attempted break in on only the second day, at least so far it has been very comfortable and peaceful.
Brian Brodie
Tuesday, September 20, 2011
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DEAR BRIAN ,I CAME ACROSS UR STORY WHILST LOOKING FOR SUPPORT GROUPS FOR CHILDREN WITH ASPERGERS .I HAVE READ YOUR STORY AND I WAS VERY SADEND ,AT THE THOUGHT OF ANYONE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS WHO JUST WANTS TO LIVE A PEACEFULL ,HAPPY LIFE . I JUST WANT TO WISH YOU ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE ,AND SAY THERE ARE PLENTY GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE ITS JUST SAD YOU HAVE CAME ACCROSS SO MANY THAT ARRENT.GOOD LUCK IN THE FUTURE.
ReplyDeleteMRS BURTON
Hi Brian, I hope that your current living arrangements are better than what you've described above.
ReplyDeleteIt must have been a very difficult experience to be taken from pillar to post; how must you have felt?
I have the same condition and know exactly how you must have felt.
Taking a look at your writings you seem to be a bit down; it sounds like a cry for help.
Lets turn this on its head; your clearly a very intelligent person and I want you to use it in the right way.
"Then one night I went to the pub across the road and said next door neighbour was there. He assumed a threatening manner of approach towards me, starting to manhandle me, causing me to fear assault, and accusing me of everything under the sun."
You wrote this in your post; take a look and ask yourself some questions about it.
Something like:
Firstly who is my neighbour? (Is he well educated, does he have a family, does he have problems, has he been out and seen the world much?)
What would cause him to dislike you? (Do you act in a manner that he might not understand? Do you talk in a manner that would make him uncomfortable(e.g excessive verbosity, referencing books and articles he would have no hope of understanding)
What would cause him to take such umbrage that he is manhandling you and calling you names? Are you talking 'down' upon him? Does he see that you are often alone?
How can I use what I know to relate to my neighbor in a way he can understand?
If you ask yourself some questions like this on these situations its easy to build a plausible set of circumstances which cause this behavior.
Would I be somewhere near your answers if I suggested that you find it hard to speak the same language in tongue, body and activities to others around you; you feel alien from them and they would feel even more distant from you? He likes football, you like fibonacci?
Your clever; and they may not be so. It's your responsibility to analyse your actions and their reactions and tailor your future responses so they speak in their 'language'. Easy as learning french....
Your trying to speak to the average person, so use average speech.
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Your probably right a lot more than you think but no one likes being told they are wrong.
ReplyDeleteListen to others; the easiest way of making someone like you is to listen to them and say very little yourself.
You probably know a lot more than other people; they probably don't give a shit. It doesn't affect what is going on in their lives (if it doesn't affect them its boring)
Do what you like doing and remember that if its not hurting others you are not wrong.
Get around people with similar interests to you; try to make a genuine friendship with someone socially adept(failing that just ask the person who mediates the group straight up). Ask them to help you with the day to day speaking and listening you find hard.
If you want to learn to talk to people; its an academic exercise just like learning calculus. Read books on developmental psychology, neurolinguistic programming, personality types, group and social psychology. Analyse people, their habits and likes, their lexicon and intonation and most importantly their emotions. Do your exercises by talking to people and note down the results. (Acting classes can help)
Your frame of thought when talking should be 'what am I trying to communicate, why should the person listen and what makes them interested?'
If there isn't a reason why the person would be interested, just keep quiet.
When you write; use the second or third person. Reserve your spoken sentences beginning with 'I' for when they are 'I feel' sentences.
Try not to talk about yourself unless asked to, unless you have something to say that can specifically relate to the experiences and feelings of others in a sympathetic way.
Keep your speaking short; spend more time listening. (Ask someone how they are and listen, try not to interject, nod and look at them and just keep quiet. Its amazing how much someone will talk when you let them)
Once you can begin understanding others you can come to terms with the emotions you may find hard to express. When you can express them fully you will have adapted.
You can make significant progress in as little as 3 months if you are prepared to work at it.
Do forgive me if this advice has been offered before by someone else.
Best of luck,
Hi justdonthelp,
ReplyDeleteThank you for a couple of very encouraging posts and for taking the time to make them. I can tell you that Brian Brodie moved not so long ago to a new flat. He had to do that by renting out the one he owns (the one where there was the loitering, vandalism, etc.) and renting another one to live in. There, he is living in relative peace, I'm pleased to say.
It was indeed very difficult for Brian at various addresses. Regarding the neighbour you posted about, he informs me he didn't know much about him but he seemed to be a manual worker, a 'macho' guy, one who was indeed into manly interests. Which you can imagine was very, very at odds with Brian.
Since then, it being 9 years ago since he moved out of the flat you're referring to, Brian has improved a lot especially when he found out about having Asperger's, which helped him improve due to self awareness. The experience with this neighbour did cause him to have to evaluate how he presents to people especially those living in close proximity, as difficult as neighbourhood living has continued to be for him.
Again thank you and regards.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteIts great to hear he's doing well.
Best regards